Room Conversation

[kīrtana] [break]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Lokanātha is here, over there, Śrīla...

Lokanātha: Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Devotee: [whispering] The kīrtana should stop.

Prabhupāda: So? Where did you go?

Lokanātha: I went to Mathurā. I went first to Vṛndāvana and looked for the carts. They were not very good kind. They were made for rough loads. So I went to Mathurā and spoke to one farmer. He had a fairly big size cart and two strong bullocks. He asked for a hundred rupees. He wouldn't come down. So ultimately I agreed for a hundred rupees. And he will reach tonight at eleven o'clock. I asked him to start immediately, but they have pūjā—as we have go-pūjā, they also have oxen pūjā today—so he will only reach at eleven o'clock, and he will be with us all day long tomorrow. I had to give him for one day or maximum daily remit[?].

Prabhupāda: So what do you think?

Lokanātha: Of what?

Prabhupāda: How many carts you have?

Lokanātha: I got just one today, one for you, and those who serve you, they could also sit besides you in the cart, and the rest could do kīrtana around the bullock cart, and the whole unit, bullock cart and saṅkīrtana group, will move together.

Prabhupāda: So what we have to pay?

Lokanātha: We'll pay hundred rupees, one day. Of course, you want to have it for all the time. Best thing is to purchase a set of bullocks, two bullocks, and a cart.

Prabhupāda: You have got experience.

Lokanātha: Yes.

Prabhupāda: So what is better?

Lokanātha: Well, depends on whether we like to use it for longer time. Then we should purchase. If it is just for a few days, best thing is to hire.

Prabhupāda: Hundred rupees and food.

Lokanātha: No. He has his food for himself and bullocks. So that's for the cart, two bullocks and the driver.

Prabhupāda: That's nice.

Lokanātha: Yes. This is what they earn for living. Usually they carry different loads from place to another place. Each trip they make twenty rupees, thirty rupees, fifty rupees, according to the distance and the load they carry. But it's expensive to keep it for many days.

Prabhupāda: No. If it is inconvenient, we may not keep.

Lokanātha: If it is convenient?

Prabhupāda: Then we shall keep.

Lokanātha: So we'll hire first and see how it goes, works. And if you think it is nice, or comfortable, all right with you, then we could purchase.

Prabhupāda: So how many we are going?

Lokanātha: Tamāla Kṛṣṅa Mahārāja?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: How many what?

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: How many will be going?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Well, all the devotees want to go, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Oh, that's nice.

Haṁsadūta: That's nice?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yeah.

Pañcadraviḍa: [aside:] We can't all go on the cart; it would break.

Prabhupāda: So how many carts you require?

Pañcadraviḍa: Just one.

Lokanātha: One for now. We also had a meeting, and we were discussing that if we go around just in Vṛndāvana, all will go. But if we keep going from holy place to holy place, then we have to decide whether everyone goes or just a few of us go.

Prabhupāda: So you are hiring for how many days?

Lokanātha: This is only for one day it is hired now. But we could continue to hire the same cart for several more days by paying extra money.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Tamāla Kṛṣṅa?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Our experiment...

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: It certainly is an experiment. Of course, we always like experiments to be successful.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Where he'll go?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: What, Śrīla Prabhupāda? Where will we go?

Devotee: What route?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: We thought tomorrow to go around the parikramā path.

Prabhupāda: Which parikramā path?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Vṛndāvana parikramā.

Lokanātha: Does a cart go?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Well that we haven't... I've never tried it with a cart. Smara-hari, you say a cart couldn't go?

Lokanātha: No, he says it cannot go.

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Smara-hari, who is familiar with the parikramā path, says that a bullock cart would not be able to pass in many of the places.

Prabhupāda: Then?

Pañcadraviḍa: Another route...

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Well, then that means we can't do a Vṛndāvana parikramā.

Smara-hari: For example, in Keśī-ghāṭa there's no...

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: He's experienced. He says...

Smara-hari: For walking you can go around.

Lokanātha: This Vṛndāvana parikramā is mainly for walking and circumambulating, like that. It's not meant for going in a vehicle, motor vehicle or bullock cart.

Haṁsadūta: Suppose we would go to Keśī-ghāṭa or one of the important temples like Govindajī.

Lokanātha: Those are the seven temples.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes, another possibility is to go to the places where the main temples are, Śrīla Prabhupāda, the Gosvāmīs' temples.

Haṁsadūta: Tomorrow is Govardhana-pūjā, and a procession through the city of Vṛndāvana would be very ecstatic.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Pañcadraviḍa: On parade.

[indistinct background comments by devotees throughout]

Prabhupāda: Others will come also.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Oh, yeah, well, if we go through Vṛndāvana, probably many people will come.

Haṁsadūta: Then we could also get some experience, because if we were, for example, to go to Govardhana, we would have to pass over similar roads.

Lokanātha: This cart does not have cover, Śrīla Prabhupāda. This bullock cart which I hired has no cover on the top.

Haṁsadūta: So we have to cover it.

Bhakti-caru: Lokanātha Swami, you apparently didn't get one question of Prabhupāda. He asked what do you think about this trip. You didn't answer that. You have some experience with bullock carts. What do you think? In this condition Śrīla Prabhupāda will withstand the trip?

Lokanātha: How can I answer it?

Bhakti-caru: No, you know in what condition Prabhupāda is in now.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: Bullock cart are usually very bumpy.

Devotee: This has rubber tires.

Lokanātha: If these roads are not bad, and the cart has tire wheels...

Prabhupāda: Yes?

Lokanātha: So we're discussing bumping. So won't be much bumping in the cart. Also, we always could go slow. If Prabhupāda wants to make an experiment, we could make one day [indistinct].

Svarūpa Dāmodara: A few hours.

Prabhupāda: I am thinking I am lying here... [break]

Lokanātha: ...should ride in very nice carts, in a chariot.

Prabhupāda: No, [indistinct]. [laughter]

Lokanātha: I saw one in Maharastra. In Poona. Yes.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. You can purchase immediately. [laughter]

Lokanātha: We'll have to design and... They're not ready-made like that.

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Lokanātha: The kind which we want, the pull-on kind, with cover on top and nice arrangements, we have to design it and order it, get it made. There's a place called Meerut, on north of Delhi...

Prabhupāda: Therefore I sent you. You have got already experience.

Lokanātha: Yes. I can use my knowledge for your service. Because you said let's make an experiment, and if it's all right, then...

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Lokanātha: You said you want to make an experiment, so let us make an experiment with this hired bullock cart, and in few days' time...

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: So where will we go tomorrow if we go?

Prabhupāda: Govardhana?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Govardhana.

Lokanātha: Yes, Govardhana.

Pañcadraviḍa: That's very far. We went on one parade three years ago in Vṛndāvana, with elephants, that Your Divine Grace went. Maybe we could go on that same route.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Govardhana will take about six hours to reach there.

Lokanātha: No, how many kilometers is that?

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: Oh, it's very far.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Twenty-eight to thirty kilometers.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: It takes one hour by car.

Lokanātha: Take five kilometers an hour.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: That's six hours to get there.

Pañcadraviḍa: And six hours back.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Six hours to get there, and then three hours around Govardhana. Nine hours.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: And six hours back.

Pañcadraviḍa: And the bulls might need to rest.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: You have to rest the bulls, don't you?

Pañcadraviḍa: There's one route we went on in Vṛndāvana, a parade, once. [indistinct] Shorter route. First time, as an experiment, we could go a shorter distance.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: That's quite a big experiment to make, going to Govardhana the first day, Śrīla Prabhupāda. You feel confident that you can travel nine hours in a row on a bullock cart?

Prabhupāda: I am sleeping here.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: What, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Lokanātha: He says he's sleeping here.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: But this is not a bullock cart.

Prabhupāda: The same thing.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: It's the same thing?

Jayādvaita: One thing is that in the Gosvāmī temples they have govardhana-śilā. That's also Govardhana.

Haṁsadūta: Śrīla Prabhupāda? The main concern of the devotees is that whether you will be able to survive such an experiment. But before, you said that you felt that such a parikramā would actually cure you. You said that. So your vision is transcendental, because you are the spiritual master. You're a pure devotee of Kṛṣṅa. So if you say that it will cure you and that it will be beneficial for you, then we have to carry out that..., whatever you desire. We do not know. We're just on the mundane platform.

Prabhupāda: One-day experiment? It is for one day?

Lokanātha: We have hired it for one day.

Prabhupāda: Rest assured, I will not die in one day.

Haṁsadūta: So we should go to Govardhana? Because tomorrow is Govardhana-pūjā.

Prabhupāda: Yes. And we shall make our cooking there and...

Lokanātha: We should start early.

Prabhupāda: He has got experience. Dig the ground and make our foodstuff. Very good picnic.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: Very good picnic.

Haṁsadūta: We were planning... If we go to Govardhana, we would take the prasādam that was prepared here and bring it there, so that many people can take.

Prabhupāda: I have no objection.

Lokanātha: Or otherwise we can make real picnic. We could collect some grains there from door to door and cook some khicuṛi there.

Prabhupāda: That will be very nice.

Guṅārṅava: There are already many thousands and thousands of people there, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Perhaps it will take a long time to get there because of traffic. I was in Mathurā today. Every ten minutes buses and ṭāṅgās and so many kinds of vehicles were going to Govardhana. There are many, many thousands of people there today.

Pañcadraviḍa: Besides that, the devotees would have to walk nine hours in the sun.

Guṅārṅava: Perhaps the road will be very busy tomorrow, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Phew!

Haṁsadūta: Can't walk?

Prabhupāda: No, let them take their time. They do that. It is very nice picnic.

Lokanātha: From my village there is this pilgrimage called Pandharpur. This is sixty miles. And still, old men, they just travel, walk. Every ekādaśī they go.

Prabhupāda: Just see.

Lokanātha: Every ekādaśī they go to Pandharpur, have darśana of Charukmaya[?], and return on foot.

Haṁsadūta: You have assured us that in one day you're not going to die, and you want to make this experiment, so we should do it.

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.

Haṁsadūta: We'll do it with great enthusiasm. Your Divine Grace is infallible. So if you say that it will help and cure you, then that must be a fact. You've never been wrong about anything, Prabhupāda, so you must be right this time also.

Prabhupāda: So let us make experiment. Don't hesitate.

Pañcadraviḍa: So we can fix up the cart tonight.

Haṁsadūta: Where's the cart? Outside?

Pañcadraviḍa: It's coming.

Lokanātha: It will reach at eleven o'clock here. So I suggest right after maṅgala-ārati we'll go, probably should start.

Prabhupāda: As far as possible, take me in a comfortable position. That's all. As far as possible.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Comfortable position.

Prabhupāda: That...

Pañcadraviḍa: Arrange one bed on the cart.

Jagadīśa: We can use this matterss.

Pañcadraviḍa: This mattress can go in nice arrangement.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Pañcadraviḍa: Umbrella.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: This is not the best. There is other mattresses that are as good or better than this. The temple has many gadis. We'll get them.

Pañcadraviḍa: We can make nice arrangement. This will purify Govardhana Hill, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Tīrthas become purified by the presence of...

Lokanātha: ...another tīrtha.

Pañcadraviḍa: Yes. Prabhupāda will go to the tīrtha.

Jagadīśa: You're a Vaiṣṅava like Arjuna and Hanumān, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Tomorrow is a great festival.

Lokanātha: Tomorrow is Govardhana-pūjā festival.

Prabhupāda: Yes. We are in Vṛndāvana, and we shall not take part? We must take part.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Hmm. "We are in Vṛndāvana and we are not taking part? We must take part."

Pañcadraviḍa: So we should all go to Govardhana?

Devotees: Why not? Jaya.

Prabhupāda: Who is here?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: About thirty or forty devotees, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: We're just like puppets, Śrīla Prabhupāda. We are all unfit to make any decision. Whatever Your Divine Grace instructs us to do, we just follow.

Prabhupāda: So, Lokanātha, what do you say?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: What do you say, Lokanātha Mahārāja?

Lokanātha: We should make experiment to please you.

Prabhupāda: That's nice.

Lokanātha: That will be ever-new experience for us also.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Jayapatākā: It will be historic. [pause] Many people have been invited to the temple here. Many people have been invited to attend the function here at the mandira.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: Thousands of people are expected to come tomorrow.

Pañcadraviḍa: That can also go on.

Prabhupāda: When they have invited?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: To Kṛṣṅa-Balarāma temple, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: When?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Tomorrow.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: "What time?" he's asking.

Lokanātha: What time people are invited?

Bhavānanda: At 11 a.m.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: At around noontime, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: There's a big feast at one o'clock.

Prabhupāda: So half of our men may come back.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Half of the men may come, and half should stay. All the Vṛndāvana devotees can stay, and all the visiting devotees should go.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: Exactly.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: All right, we'll make that division, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

[indistinct background comments by devotees]

Prabhupāda: Keep that palanquin.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Keep the palanquin on the cart?

Prabhupāda: Cart?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: What, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Palanquin.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Where should we keep it? With us on the cart?

Prabhupāda: Carry it.

Haṁsadūta: Bring it along.

Pañcadraviḍa: We'll bring it along. [background discussion of how to do this]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Prabhupāda's going to want to get out and go in that palanquin.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: So when we'll come back from Govardhana?

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: Tomorrow night.

Haṁsadūta: Next day.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: So after circumambulating Govardhana, we will return to Vṛndāvana or stay out?

Jagadīśa: If we're going to take prasādam there's no time to come back.

Prabhupāda: What do you think?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Prabhupāda says "What do you think?"

Pañcadraviḍa: Maybe we could stay overnight.

Lokanātha: When we are there, out, we'll decide.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: But he can't come back tomorrow night. Impossible.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: It's helpful for the devotees to know, just so they can bring something to wrap around when it gets to be nighttime. It's not the middle of the summer, you know. It is...

Lokanātha: We have two, three vehicles here.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: I'm saying it's something that should be considered now, and not when we get there. You said when we get there we'll see.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: We should make all the plans complete.

Prabhupāda: That you consider.

Bhavānanda: We should go with plans for staying overnight.

Prabhupāda: Why you are asking me?

Lokanātha: I think we'll have to stay there.

Haṁsadūta: Yeah, definitely.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: We definitely have to stay there.

Haṁsadūta: Six hours to go, three hours around, that's nine. Six hours back...

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: It'll be more than that.

Haṁsadūta: It's not possible to come back. So one night, spending one night in Govardhana.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: The devotees are crashing after two hours.

[background conversation about taking the cars]

Lokanātha: The devotees should be prepared to stay overnight there. Under the trees. [laughter]

Haṁsadūta: We're supposed to be gosvāmīs. We have to stay under a tree. Different tree every night.

Lokanātha: When we were traveling from Vṛndāvana to Māyāpur we stayed many times. Outside we'd live under the tree. It's nice.

Bhakti-caru: Yes, but if just one window is open at night, Prabhupāda starts feeling cold in spite of the blankets.

Lokanātha: You are making [indistinct].

Svarūpa Dāmodara: It will be very cold in the early morning hours.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: In the evening it's getting colder.

Haṁsadūta: We'll bring the van, and Prabhupāda can stay in the van overnight, or we'll find some place.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: Where we'll find some? All the āśramas will be overcrowded.

Devotee: There's thousands and thousands of people.

Pañcadraviḍa: We can sleep around the van. Prabhupāda is like a desire tree. He satisfies everybody.

Lokanātha: That cart could be turned into house. Have bamboo sticks; cover it with blankets.

Prabhupāda: So begin to plan.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: I think Lokanātha Swami should make the route, completely planned out, and the place also where we're going to picnic, so that everything has to be arranged well ahead of time.

Prabhupāda: So do it.

Pañcadraviḍa: Yes, we'll prepare the cart tonight, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Lokanātha: When we started the bullock cart you said, "Go to the heart of the village." And we said, "What is this heart?" You said, "Wherever there is well, water, we should camp, we should stay." That is where we could remain clean.

Prabhupāda: That you have experience. I have no experience.

Lokanātha: Maybe you sent me to experience this bullock cart program so that you could...

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Lokanātha: ...in future go on bullock cart.

Prabhupāda: For me it is experiment.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: We should also request kavirājī to come along?

Prabhupāda: Invite him.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: He can come in the van. [laughs]

Pañcadraviḍa: Then it is all decided. You want to take some rest, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Haṁsadūta: Can we have some kīrtana, Prabhupāda? [indistinct background comments by devotees] [kīrtana]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, are you finished passing urine? Yes. [break] Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Daṅḍavat.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Prabhupāda said daṅḍavat.

Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī: Hare Kṛṣṅa. [Bengali with Prabhupāda about parikramā]

Prabhupāda: Make an experiment. [Bengali with Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī about Govardhana]

Svarūpa Dāmodara: What time we start?

Bhavānanda: Five o'clock.

Prabhupāda: [Bengali with Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī] Somebody may go and bring his mālika[?]-japa.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Bring him...?

Prabhupāda: Bring him his beads.

Haṁsadūta: Where are they?

Prabhupāda: Where they are?

Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī: At Imlitala. I can go. I can go and come back.

Prabhupāda: So you can go in car.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: We'll send... Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Your mālika[?] are at Imlitala.

Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī: Yes. Let me go there.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: We'll take you by car. You can get your mālika[?]. You'll stay overnight here.

Haṁsadūta: Someone could pick it up for him in a rickshaw.

Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī: I can go.

Prabhupāda: [Bengali about bedding]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: We'll bring him by car. He can get his things and bring him back. He'll get his bedding.

Prabhupāda: His bedding and beading. [laughter]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Bedding and beading.

Jagadīśa: Bedding and what?

Upendra: Beading.

Prabhupāda: [Bengali to Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī and Bhakti-caru about prasāda] Is that all right? [Bengali with Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī]

Svarūpa Dāmodara: We're sending someone.

Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī: No, no, I'll go personally.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: No, we'll go with a car. He can come and collect his things.

Haṁsadūta: He should go on the rickshaw.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Why?

Haṁsadūta: Because it's a very narrow place.

Prabhupāda: So make arrangement.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Jayapatākā: [Bengali]...that if you feel any pain or experience any difficulty, then we can bring you back.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes, you bring a car, obviously.

Prabhupāda: Yes. I'm not obstinate. [laughter]

Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī: Hare Kṛṣṅa. [chants japa] [break]

Prabhupāda: [Bengali—tells them to bring prasāda now]

Pañcadraviḍa: Bring some prasādam now.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Someone's bringing prasādam, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī: [Bengali]

Prabhupāda: [Bengali] Sādhu-saṅga sādhu-saṅga sarva-siddhi... [Cc Madhya 22.54]. [Bengali] Either the experiment success or... [Bengali] Parikramā. [Bengali with Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī]

Haṁsadūta: He's staying here tonight?

Bhakti-caru: [Bengali with Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī]

Haṁsadūta: Someone has to take him to Imlitala to get his things.

Jayapatākā: [Bengali]

Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī: [Bengali]

[background discussion between devotees about going in car]

Prabhupāda: [Bengali]

Jayapatākā: Should there be kīrtana, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Jayapatākā: You like kīrtana?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

[indistinct background discussion between devotees about Akṣayānanda and cars] [break]

Prabhupāda: [Bengali to Bhakti-caru]

Bhakti-caru: I have [indistinct] him, Śrīla Prabhupāda. [break]

Prabhupāda: [Bengali]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: ...to go.

Prabhupāda: To request not to go?

Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī: Ji.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Well, Śrīla Prabhupāda, I'll tell you, I'm getting so upset sitting in the room upstairs. I mean I just... I was walking around... Two of the devotees told me this road is so bad that if you go on this road, you're going to be jolted back and forth. The road is terrible. I mean, I just can't understand, Śrīla Prabhupāda, why it has to be tomorrow that we have to go. If anybody wants you to travel, I do. My whole desire is to take you all over the world. I want to take you on parikramā, but why do we have to go when you're in this condition? I can't understand it. It just... I was standing outside. This kavirāja, he has worked so hard. He's so much disappointed. He can't understand why he... He says that now, today, you've taken half a kilo of milk. No mucus has been produced. No stool is being passed. He says tomorrow he wants to give you a medicine that will begin to build the milk into muscles. He's going to get you to a point where you can take two kilos of milk a day. And he says very soon you'll be able to have the strength to actually do parikramā. So why are we throwing everything out the window, that we must go tomorrow? I cannot understand.

Prabhupāda: All right.

Bhakti-caru: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda. [laughs]

Bhavānanda: Thank you, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: I cannot refuse all your request.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: And we cannot refuse your request. We will take you all over tīrtha-yātrā, to all the places. Just that you get a little stronger. You'll be free of all management. You simply go to tīrthas and take darśana of all the Deities in India. And everyone will stay in their respective places. They'll manage. But we just want you to be stronger.

Prabhupāda: All right. That will satisfy you? [laughter]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Bābājī Mahārāja also, you also thought that? We did not talk to him.

Bhavānanda: We were just on our way down the stairs to come and see Your Divine Grace.

Prabhupāda: Bhavānanda?

Bhavānanda: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: You are satisfied?

Bhavānanda: Now I am, Śrīla Prabhupāda, yes. [laughter] I was in too much anxiety.

Prabhupāda: No, no, I cannot put you in anxiety. You have done so much. You have suffered for Māyāpur so much. I cannot put you in anxiety. So I shall do what you like. [Bengali to Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī] Left hand, right hand; I cannot refuse.

Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī: [Bengali]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: I mean I'm amazed, Śrīla Prabhupāda. A half a kilo of milk you've drank today—no mucus, no stool. And that is wonderful. You could not have done this two weeks ago.

Bhakti-caru: Yes, when I told the kavirāja he got quite amazed. He told me, "Don't give any more milk. It might..." But Śrīla Prabhupāda wanted some milk now, so I'll give.

Prabhupāda: Where is kavirāja?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: He's out again getting medicine. I mean, this man, Śrīla Prabhupāda, Adri-dhāraṅa says he sits up all night worried about you, thinking, taxing his mind how to give you just what you require.

Prabhupāda: No.

Bhakti-caru: Yesterday, when I went to call him at 4:30, I saw him sitting on his bed.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: All night. He goes in the jungle four, five hours looking for roots, herbs to give you. He's so sincere.

Prabhupāda: So many well-wishers, I cannot refuse. This is not my business. [Bengali] All right. You take Bābājī Mahārāja. That will be my going. [laughter]

Kṛṣṅa dāsa Bābājī: Jaya.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes, the bullock cart will go tomorrow.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: To Govardhana.

Prabhupāda: Yes, other devotees can go. I cannot go.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: No, they'll go on your behalf, but you will go one day. That we promise you.

Prabhupāda: All right.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Our greatest pleasure will be to take you on tīrtha-yātrā, Śrīla Prabhupāda. We wanted so much to go with you on that.

Prabhupāda: Thank you very much.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Actually, Śrīla Prabhupāda, we're so much attached to you that you practically drive us to madness sometimes. Tonight we were becoming mad.

Prabhupāda: No, no, I shall not do that. Bābājī Mahārāja? [Bengali conversation; mentions Bhavānanda's suffering] So you will take bath in Rādhā-kuṅḍa on my behalf.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: We'll get you better, Śrīla Prabhupāda, and you will also be able to take bath personally there. We'll see you get better.

Prabhupāda: That's all right.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Kṛṣṅa will make all of our words come true, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Bhakti-caru: [Bengali; asks Prabhupāda if he'd like milk]

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. [Bengali about kavirāja]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Oh, this kavirāja, we're so... I mean, we're fortunate to get this sincere man.

Prabhupāda: Where is kavirāja?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: He's out getting more... He's out working, at work.

Bhavānanda: Adri, see if he's here, kavirāja.

Adri-dhāraṅa: [indistinct] get a minute.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: As soon as he comes, he can come and see Prabhupāda. [end]