Darsana

Evening Darśana

Prabhupāda: [break] You told me, from the siddhi...

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Someone came this morning. He was asking that... He was hoping that because he had heard that you had some mystical powers, so he was hoping that you could help his situation by demonstrating some of these mystical powers.

Prabhupāda: Some magic. Our magic is already there. Throughout the whole world they are chanting Hare Kṛṣṅa. Is not that magic? Hmm? Foreign countries, foreign religion, and they are accepting Kṛṣṅa and chanting Hare Kṛṣṅa. Is not that magic?

Indian man (1): It is.

Prabhupāda: And still more magic? The world is chanting Hare Kṛṣṅa. Boliye?

yoginām api sarveṣāṁ mad-gatenāntar-ātmanā śraddhāvān bhajate yo māṁ sa me yuktatamo mataḥ [Bg 6.47]

[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]

He is yogī. There are many varieties of yogīs. And Kṛṣṅa concludes, "Of all the yogīs, big, big yogīs, the person who is always remembering Kṛṣṅa and chanting Hare Kṛṣṅa mahā-mantra is first class." This is said by Kṛṣṅa, not by me. Therefore it is authorized statement. Without Kṛṣṅa consciousness, all these mystic powers... They may be temporarily some magic, but Kṛṣṅa says that "One who is always remembering Me," satataṁ kīrtayanto māṁ yatantaś ca dṛḍha-vratāḥ [Bg 9.14], "he is first-class yogī."

[Always chanting My glories, endeavoring with great determination, bowing down before Me, these great souls perpetually worship Me with devotion.]

So all these persons who are chanting Hare Kṛṣṅa according to the prescribed rules and regulations, without any offense... There are ten kinds of offenses. So in the beginning there may be offenses. It doesn't matter. It will be rectified. Offenseless chanting means mukti, and then pure chanting means love of Godhead. There are three stages. In the beginning, when one begins chanting, it is not pure; there are so many offenses. But chanting, chanting, the offenses become purified. [background talking] Offenseless chanting is not purified completely, but it is offenseless. So offenseless chanting makes one liberated, and then pure chanting makes one lover of God. This is the process. So chanting is a great mystic power. Caitanya Mahāprabhu has recommended, ceto-darpaṅa-mārjanam [Cc Antya 20.12]:

[Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṅa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṅa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.]

"By chanting, your heart becomes purified." Ceto-darpaṅa. We are suffering in this material world on account of...

[background talking] [aside:] Ask him not to talk loudly.

On account of impurities...

[aside:] What is the use of talking? The first impurity is identifying...

[aside:] Stop him. Don't talk at all.

Indian man (1): It is one gentle..., one person. He says, "I am Bengali." And he has got some trouble. He was told that "If you have got any physical trouble, go to the medical practitioners."

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Indian man (1): "If you have got any spiritual, then you can stay." He is continuing. That is all.

Prabhupāda: [aside:] Don't talk. Why you are talking?

So our real trouble is that we have become conditioned by the material identification, "I am this body." Everyone is thinking, "I am Indian," "I am American," "I am brāhmaṅa," "I am sannyāsī," everything identification with the body. That is the dirty thing. So one has to purify, that "I am neither American, neither Indian, nor brāhmaṅa, or so many designations." Then it is called cleansing the heart. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktam [Cc Madhya 19.170].

[Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.]

That is mukti, when you don't identify with this material body. And so long you identify with this material body, either you become a sannyāsī with some beard or a gṛhastha without some beard, the same thing—identifying with the body. So ceto-darpaṅa-mārjanam [Cc Antya 20.12]

means to become free from the bodily designation. And śāstra says, yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṅape tri-dhātuke [SB 10.84.13].

[One who identifies his self as the inert body composed of mucus, bile and air, who assumes his wife and family are permanently his own, who thinks an earthen image or the land of his birth is worshipable, or who sees a place of pilgrimage as merely the water there, but who never identifies himself with, feels kinship with, worships or even visits those who are wise in spiritual truth—such a person is no better than a cow or an ass.]

This body is composition of three dhātu—kapha, pitta, vāyu—according to Āyur Veda; and according to medical science, it is skin and then muscle, blood, bone and marrow, stool, urine, those, combination. So I am not this combination of stool, bone, skin, blood. But people are taking like that. When they are diseased, they take care of the body. Of course, it is not that we should not take care. But that is superficial. Real care should be taken of the soul within the body. Dehino 'smin yathā dehe [Bg 2.13].

[As the embodied soul continually passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change.]

Dehinaḥ, dehī. Dehinaḥ and deha.

So anyone who is identifying with this body in either... According to Vedic civilization, the bodily identification is divided into eight: brāhmaṅa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa. Varṅāśrama-dharma. So human civilization begins, according to Vedic understanding, when there is varṅāśrama system. Otherwise it is not human civilization. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is stated, cātur-varṅyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam [Bg 4.13].

[According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.]

This system should be followed. Then, gradually, one has to come to the spiritual. Chaotic society cannot help us. There must be systematic social order: brāhmaṅa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, cātur-varṅyam, and brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa. Sannyāsa is not voluntary, but it is compulsory. At the last stage one must take sannyāsa. After fiftieth year one must take to vānaprastha, vanaṁ vrajet. This is system. So, system of purification, how to become designationless. And if we keep the designation, then, śāstra says, sa eva go-kharaḥ [SB 10.84.13]:

"One who keeps the bodily designation, he's no better than the cows and the asses, animal." So Caitanya Mahāprabhu recommends that... Caitanya Mahā... This is the śāstric, Vedic culture, that we have to purify ourself from the bodily designation. That is called ceto-darpaṅa-mārjanam [Cc Antya 20.12],

cleansing the dirty things within the core of the heart, that "I am this"—"I am Indian," "I am American," "I am brāhmaṅa," "I am sannyāsī," "I am gṛhastha," "I am white," "I am black." These are the dirty things. So these dirty things can be cleansed by chanting this Hare Kṛṣṅa mantra. Śṛṅvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṅaḥ puṅya-śravaṅa-kīrtanaḥ [SB 1.2.17].

[Śrī Kṛṣṅa, the Personality of Godhead, who is the Paramātmā [Supersoul] in everyone's heart and the benefactor of the truthful devotee, cleanses desire for material enjoyment from the heart of the devotee who has developed the urge to hear His messages, which are in themselves virtuous when properly heard and chanted.]

This chanting and hearing is puṅya-śravaṅa-kīrtanaḥ. If you do not know anything about, if you simply chant and hear, you become purified, puṅya. Because on account of dirty things, impious life, you have become covered by different bodies. Mṛtyu-saṁsāra-vartmani. Different bodies means the way of birth and death. That you have to stop. And that is stopped when you get Kṛṣṅa; otherwise not. Therefore Kṛṣṅa says, I think, in the Ninth Chapter... Find out this verse, aśraddadhānāḥ puruṣā dharmasyāsya parantapa, mām aprāpya [Bg 9.3].

[Those who are not faithful in this devotional service cannot attain Me, O conqueror of enemies. Therefore they return to the path of birth and death in this material world.]

You cannot get Kṛṣṅa. If you have no faith in Bhagavad-gītā, then you cannot get Kṛṣṅa. If you don't care for Kṛṣṅa, that is another thing, but if you want to get Kṛṣṅa, then what Kṛṣṅa says, you follow. Read.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa:

aśraddadhānāḥ puruṣā dharmasyāsya parantapa aprāpya māṁ nivartante mṛtyu-saṁsāra-vartmani [Bg 9.3]

Translation: "Those who are not faithful on the path of devotional service cannot attain Me, O conqueror of foes, but return to birth and death in this material world."

Prabhupāda: Purport?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Purport: "The faithless cannot accomplish this process of devotional of service. That is the purport of this verse. Faith is created by association with devotees. Unfortunate people, even after hearing all the evidence of Vedic literature from great personalities, still have no faith in God." [break]

Prabhupāda: Pure bhakti.

anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam ānukūlyena kṛṣṅānu- śīlanaṁ bhaktir uttamā [Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.1.11]

[One should render transcendental loving service to the Supreme Lord Kṛṣṅa favorably and without desire for material profit or gain through fruitive activities or philosophical speculation. That is called pure devotional service.]

There should be no mixture of jñāna and karma or even yoga. Ānukūlyena kṛṣṅānu... Simply to cultivate Kṛṣṅa consciousness favorably. "Favorably" means what Kṛṣṅa wants. That is favorable. If you do what Kṛṣṅa wants, that is favorable. And if you do what Kṛṣṅa does not want, that is unfavorable; that is not bhakti. Just like Kaṁsa. He was always thinking of Kṛṣṅa, but that was not favorably. He was thinking otherwise, how to kill Kṛṣṅa, and that is not bhakti. The gopīs were also thinking of Kṛṣṅa, how to make Him happy, and that is favorable. So ānukūlyena kṛṣṅānuśīlanaṁ bhaktir uttamā [Cc Madhya 19.167].

[When first-class devotional service develops, one must be devoid of all material desires, knowledge obtained by monistic philosophy, and fruitive action. The devotee must constantly serve Kṛṣṅa favorably, as Kṛṣṅa desires.]

Without any mixture, adulteration of jñāna and karma, that is pure devotion. Then?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: "Those who have no faith, even after hearing about Kṛṣṅa and the excellence of devotional service, who think that it is simply eulogy, find the path very difficult even if they are supposed..." [break]

Prabhupāda: So without this faith, nobody can achieve the association of Kṛṣṅa. There are two things. You become associate of Kṛṣṅa, or you become associate of this material world. So if you do not become associate of Kṛṣṅa, then the next step is this association of material world. And association of material world means accepting one type of body and enjoy or suffer for some time; then you get another body. Mṛtyu-saṁsāra-vartmani [Bg 9.3].

[Those who are not faithful in this devotional service cannot attain Me, O conqueror of enemies. Therefore they return to the path of birth and death in this material world.]

Now we have to make our choice, whether you want to stop this material way of life and attain the eternal spiritual life...

mām upetya kaunteya duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam nāpnuvanti mahātmānaḥ saṁsiddhiṁ paramāṁ gatāḥ [Bg 8.15]

[After attaining Me, the great souls, who are yogīs in devotion, never return to this temporary world, which is full of miseries, because they have attained the highest perfection.]

If you get the association of Kṛṣṅa, then you haven't got to come here, this material world. Duḥkhālayam. Kṛṣṅa says it is duḥkhālayam. Either you take birth in a very rich, aristocratic family, born in the upper planetary system as demigods—Brahmā, Indra, Candra, like that—or you take your birth, an insignificant ant; wherever you are in material body, it is duḥkhālayam. That you cannot avoid. Duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam [Bg 8.15]. And you cannot make any compromise that "Never mind it is very much miserable. I shall enjoy." So that also will not be allowed. Aśāśvatam. Your tendency is to live forever. So that will not be allowed. Aśāśvata. So this requires knowledge, intelligence, that "If I am eternal," na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg 2.20], "I am not destroyed even this body is destroyed." Then you should seek after eternal happiness. Why temporary? That is not in your interest. That eternal happiness you will have when you go back to Kṛṣṅa; otherwise not. These are the statement in the Bhagavad-gītā.

So if we do not try to understand the real purpose of Bhagavad-gītā, and if we theorize, "Bhagavad-gītā means nonviolence. Bhagavad-gītā means to become patriot," these are materialism. We should avoid this wrong interpretation, misguiding direction of blind leaders. We'll not get any benefit out of it. So we are trying to rectify this. That's all. Everything is there. Any question is solved by Kṛṣṅa. Politics, economics, religion, culture, philosophy—everything is discussed very thoroughly. Simply one has to understand. Then he becomes fixed up in Kṛṣṅa consciousness. People are generally after yoga, especially the Westerners. I think they have come here for perfection of yoga. But here it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, mayy āsakta-manāḥ pārtha yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ. That is first class, to increase your attachment for Kṛṣṅa. Mayy āsakta-manāḥ pārtha yogaṁ yuñjan. This is yoga, how to increase the attachment for Kṛṣṅa. This is called bhakti-yoga. So this yoga can be practiced—mayy āsakta-manāḥ pār..., yogam, mad-āśrayaḥ, not anyone's other's āśraya. Mad-āśrayaḥ. Taking shelter of Kṛṣṅa or taking shelter of Kṛṣṅa's personal persons, personal associates, mat-para. Mat-para means one who has dedicated his life for Kṛṣṅa. He is called mat-para. Or directly under Kṛṣṅa. Directly under Kṛṣṅa is difficult. Because we do not understand Kṛṣṅa, therefore we have to take shelter of a person who is already under the shelter of Kṛṣṅa.

Indian man (1): But mat-para people are very seldom available.

Prabhupāda: No. How do you know? If you do not know what is the meaning of mat-para, how you can say "seldom"? Do you know what is mat-para? Unless you know who is mat-para, how you can say like that? You have no knowledge. Mat-para means a simple thing: one who has fully surrendered to Kṛṣṅa. That's all. This is very seldom? There are so many. But you have decided "seldom." Why seldom? Here you see so many young men, our association. They are fully surrendered to Kṛṣṅa. They do not know anything else than Kṛṣṅa. So why it is seldom? You won't take. That is your fault. Rather, they are coming to you. They are canvassing. But you are so stubborn, you'll not take it. That is your fault. They are canvassing door to door. Why do you say, "It is seldom"? It is very easily available. But you won't take. That is your fault. Caitanya Mahāprabhu personally came, and He canvassed door to door. He sent His men door to door. We are sending all over the world. But you do not come. Mat-para is not seldom. At least at the present moment, it has become very easily available. But you take [sic]. That is your fault. [break]

Ceto-darpaṅa-mārjanam. That is... Caitanya Mahāprabhu says. Ceto-darpaṅa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni..., śreyaḥ-kairava-candrikā-vitaraṅaṁ vidyā-vadhū-jīvanam, ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam [Cc Antya 20.12].

Ānandāmbudhi. Ambudhi means sea. You do not find that the sea is increasing. But this transcendental sea of blissful life increases. Ānandāmbudhi-vardhanaṁ sarvātma-snapanaṁ paraṁ vijayate śrī-kṛṣṅa-saṅkīrtanam. Very simple thing. You take to śrī-kṛṣṅa-saṅkīrtanam and see the result. Why you say it is seldom? It is very easy, but you won't take. Seldom we find the followers. Otherwise it is very cheap. Rūpa Gosvāmī worshiped Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu with these words:

namo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṅa-prema-pradāya te kṛṣṅāya kṛṣṅa-caitanya- nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ [Cc Madhya 19.53]

[O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṅa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṅa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṅī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṅa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]

"My Lordship, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, You are the most magnanimous person of charity." Why? Now, kṛṣṅa-prema-pradāya: "One cannot understand Kṛṣṅa, and You are directly delivering love of Kṛṣṅa." It is not seldom. If you want to love somebody, you must know him. Love is not with the air. If you want to love somebody, then you must know what he is and why should I love him. So nobody can understand Kṛṣṅa. Where is the question of love? If you do not understand what is Kṛṣṅa, the question of loving Him does not arise. But here Caitanya Mahāprabhu is giving directly love of Kṛṣṅa. That means Kṛṣṅa understanding is automatically. Finished. Therefore He is addressed as the most magnanimous.

So it is not at all seldom. As the age is fallen, the most magnanimous incarnation is Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and He is giving directly Kṛṣṅa, kṛṣṅa-prema. You take it. Why don't you take it? It is not seldom. You do not like to take it. That is the disease. And that is aśraddadhāna. There is no śraddhā. Aśraddadhānāḥ puruṣāḥ, mām aprāpya [Bg 9.3].

[Those who are not faithful in this devotional service cannot attain Me, O conqueror of enemies. Therefore they return to the path of birth and death in this material world.]

How you can get Kṛṣṅa? There is no śraddhā. Therefore they must suffer in the cycle of birth and death. Nivartante mṛtyu-saṁsāra. So you voluntarily accept this cycle of birth, don't accept Kṛṣṅa—then who can help you? If you have decided to cut your own throat, how can I help you? You'll do it. Whenever you'll get opportunity, you'll cut your throat. How much I can give you protection? That is going on. They have no faith in the words of Kṛṣṅa. They'll manufacture ideas. It is not "seldom." It is my dog's obstinacy that is checking. We cannot give up. Kṛṣṅa has..., sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg 18.66]. That you cannot do. You want to keep in the same position, and at the same time, you want to understand Kṛṣṅa. That is not possible. In this Rishikesh, tīrtha-kṣetra, everyone comes to get some spiritual enlightenment, but who is talking of Kṛṣṅa? Am I right? And there is Gītā-bhavan, Gītā this, Gītā that. What is that "Gītā"? Gītā commentation... Nobody's interested. They don't like to hear even about Kṛṣṅa. This is the position.

So mat-para is not seldom. [laughs] The followers are seldom. But Kṛṣṅa says mat-para. "If you want to practice this yoga..." Mayy āsakta-manāḥ pārtha yogam... This is yoga. Imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam [Bg 4.1].

[The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku.]

This is real yoga. So nobody's interested. Then what can be done? My Guru Mahārāja used to say that "If one is selling langlam[?], and he's canvassing, 'Please come here. Take langlam. There is no price for it,' then people will not take. 'Why langlam he's distributing free?' " And that is the position. We are going to door to door: "Take Kṛṣṅa." They think, "It is very cheap thing. What is the use? Let us practice some other yoga." And Kṛṣṅa says, yoginām api sarveṣām [Bg 6.47].

[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]

We don't take. So langlam is not seldom, but the person who take langlam is seldom. This is the difficulty. Kṛṣṅa says, "By this practice of yoga..." Aiye.

mayy āsakta-manāḥ pārtha yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ asaṁśayaṁ samagraṁ māṁ yathā jñāsyasi tac chṛṅu [Bg 7.1]

[indistinct] He says, "How you can understand Me perfectly," samagram, "and," asaṁśayam, "without any doubt." So Kṛṣṅa is speaking about Him, which is without any doubt and without any difficulty, in fullness, but who is hearing Him? That is seldom. Otherwise Kṛṣṅa has become very easily available. Namo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṅa-prema-pradāya te [Cc Madhya 19.53].

Even kṛṣṅa-prema. But we won't take. Is it seldom?

Indian man (1): Our fault.

Prabhupāda: Hmm? Yes.

Indian man (1): Our fault.

Prabhupāda: It is our fault we won't take. A man has fallen in the blind well, and he's crying, "Save me! Save me!" and when somebody comes and gives him a rope—"You catch it. I shall lift you"—but he'll not touch it, then who can save him? The rope is there, the man is there, and he is crying; but when we request that "You take it," he won't take. Aiye. So how he can be saved? And Kṛṣṅa said, mad-āśrayaḥ. But he'll not take mad-āśrayaḥ. He'll take āśraya of something else. This is the position. Mayy āsakta-manāḥ pārtha. People are harassed to understand God, whether there is God or not God, who is God. When I first went to America, the theory was going that "God is dead." And what was the...

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: There was a newspaper...

Prabhupāda: Paper... Yes?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: When Prabhupāda first did the first public kīrtana, they said that "We thought God is dead, but now we see that Swami Bhaktivedanta has made God alive again."

Prabhupāda: This was the first remark. Then, gradually, these boys joined. They were after God, but they were given to understand that "God is dead. Now you take to LSD." So the... God is speaking:

mayy āsakta-manāḥ pārtha yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ asaṁśayaṁ samagraṁ māṁ yathā jñāsyasi tac chṛṅu [Bg 7.1]

"Take perfect knowledge of God from Me." Why don't you do that? Boliye. What is the reason? Boliye, Swāmījī. When God is speaking that "You take from Me perfect and complete knowledge of God," so why don't you take it?

Indian man (1): We are still attached to material side.

Prabhupāda: Whatever it may be, but we are denying. Is it not? Hmm? When... Suppose a big man. You do not know what he is. But if this man says, "You want to know me? All right, I shall disclose all my secrets to you. Try to understand." So why don't you..., do not take it? If you want to know the person, and the person is explaining himself, why don't you take it? Why theorize that "God is like this. God is like this"? What is the meaning? When the person has come to explain about himself... Asaṁśayaṁ samagraṁ māṁ yathā jñāsyasi tac chṛṅu [Bg 7.1]: "Hear." Hearing is the process of knowledge. Therefore our Vedas are called śruti. The knowledge has to be acquired through ear. My Guru Mahārāja used to say that "Don't try to see a sādhu by your eyes. You try to see a sādhu by ears." Karṅe[?] sādhu dekhi. [Hindi] Tāvac ca śobhate mūrkhaḥ yāvat kiñcin na bhāṣate. [Hindi] For real perfect knowledge, one has to hear. Śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham. Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet, śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham [Muṅḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12].

[To understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.]

Śābde pare ca niṣṅātaṁ brahmaṅy upaśamāśrayam. There is guru. One who has heard perfectly from the authorities, he is guru. Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam [SB 11.3.21].

[Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.]

And who is guru? Śābde pare ca niṣṅātaṁ brahmaṅy upaśamāśrayam. Every direction is there.

tad viddhi praṅipātena paripraśnena sevayā upadekṣyanti te jñānaṁ jñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ [Bg 4.34]

[Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.]

[Hindi] So about from... Apart from śāstra, the vedānta-kṛt, vedānta-vit, Kṛṣṅa, He is speaking. Asaṁśayaṁ samagraṁ māṁ yathā jñāsyasi tac chṛṅu [Bg 7.1]: "Just hear." And He's vedānta-vit, vedānta-kṛt. He knows what is Vedānta, and He has compiled Vedānta, and He is ready to speak. We don't hear Kṛṣṅa. How much unfortunate we are.

[aside:] Here.

Indian man (2): [Hindi]

Prabhupāda: [Hindi] [Hindi conversation] So naturally he'll be averse to māyā. He's no more interested. [Hindi] Nonsense. This is the test. Kṛṣṅa-bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavaḥ. [Hindi] There is no need of separate endeavor. [Hindi] The first line Kṛṣṅa says that aśocyān anvaśocas tvaṁ prajñā-vādāṁś ca bhāṣase, gatāsūn agatāsūṁś ca nānuśocanti [Bg 2.11]. [Hindi] [Hindi conversation] Find out this, teṣām evānukampārtham [Bg 10.11],

[Out of compassion for them, I, dwelling in their hearts, destroy with the shining lamp of knowledge the darkness born of ignorance.]

mṛtyu-saṁsāra-sāgarāt. [Hindi] Read it.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa:

teṣām ahaṁ samuddhartā mṛtyu-saṁsāra-sāgarāt bhavāmi na cirāt pārtha mayy āveśita-cetasām [Bg 12.7]

Prabhupāda: No. Teṣām evānukampārtham.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa:

teṣām evānukampārtham aham ajñāna-jaṁ tamaḥ nāśayāmy ātma-bhāva-stho jñāna-dīpena bhāsvatā [Bg 10.11]

"Out of compassion for them, I, dwelling in their hearts, destroy with the shining lamp of knowledge the darkness born of ignorance."

Prabhupāda: Is there any purport?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Purport by Śrīla Prabhupāda: "When..." [break]

Prabhupāda: So let us stop today. Somebody kīrtana. [kīrtana begins] [end]

Evening Darśana

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