Evening Darśana

Prabhupāda: [Hindi] [Hindi conversation] [break]

German man (1): Germany.

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

German man (1): Germany.

Prabhupāda: Germany.

English man (2): England.

German man (1): In German.

Prabhupāda: I went to Hamburg.

German man (1): In Hamburg. In Batche Strasse?

German devotee (3): [German]

German man (1): [German] The very beginning center was in the Batche Strasse Street, a very small temple. And then it changed to bigger and..., in Hamburg.

Prabhupāda: There is tramways.

German man (1): [German] I left Phalia[?] four years here and become a national [indistinct]. [conversation with German devotee] [break]

Prabhupāda: ...here?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Why did you come to India?

German man (1): For..., for spiritual purpose.

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

German man (1): Sādhana, tapasya.

Prabhupāda: And what is the aim of tapasya?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: What is the aim of tapasya?

German man (1): The aim of tapasya?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: The goal.

German man (1): To see how is the one in the many.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: To see the one in the many.

Prabhupāda: Very good. And what is that one?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Prabhupāda asked, "What is that one?"

German man (1): The one is this part in you and me which is together, and the many are you and me and him and we all.

Prabhupāda: No, what is that one?

German man (1): That one? It's difficult to put it into name.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: He said, "It's difficult to put it into name."

Prabhupāda: That means you have not found that one.

German man (1): Probably. That is why I came to you.

Prabhupāda: You could not find that one.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: He said that's why he came to you.

Prabhupāda: That is Kṛṣṅa. Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate [Bg 10.8].

[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]

In the Bhagavad-gītā find out.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: [aside:] Hand me the...

Prabhupāda: If you cannot find it, hand it to Tamāla.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa:

ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate iti matvā bhajante māṁ budhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ [Bg 10.8]

"I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise, who know this perfectly, engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts."

Prabhupāda: Hmm? Here is the one from whom everything emanates. So why don't you worship Him? Is there any purport?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes. Purport. "A learned scholar who has studied the Vedas perfectly and has information from authorities like Lord Caitanya and who knows how to apply these teachings can understand that Kṛṣṅa is the origin of everything in both the material and spiritual worlds. And because he knows this perfectly, he becomes firmly fixed in the devotional service of the Supreme Lord. He can never be deviated by any amount of nonsensical commentaries or by fools. All Vedic literature agrees that Kṛṣṅa is the source of Brahmā, Śiva and all other demigods. In the Atharva Veda it is said, yo brahmāṅaṁ vidadhāti pūrvaṁ yo vai vedāṁś ca gāpayati sma kṛṣṅaḥ: 'It was Kṛṣṅa who in the beginning instructed Brahmā in Vedic knowledge and who disseminated Vedic knowledge in the past.' Then again it is said, atha puruṣo ha vai nārāyaṅo 'kāmayata prajāḥ sṛjeyety upakramya: 'Then the Supreme Personality Nārāyaṅa desired to create living entities.' Again it is said, nārāyaṅād brahmā jāyate, nārāyaṅād prajāpatiḥ prajāyate, nārāyaṅād indro jāyate, nārāyaṅād aṣṭau vasavo jāyante, nārāyaṅād ekādaśa rudrā jāyante, nārāyaṅād dvādaśādityāḥ: 'From Nārāyaṅa, Brahmā is born, and from Nārāyaṅa, the patriarchs are also born. From Nārāyaṅa, Indra is born, from Nārāyaṅa the eight Vasus are born, from Nārāyaṅa the eleven Rudras are born, from Nārāyaṅa the twelve Ādityas are born.' It is said in the same Vedas, brahmaṅyo devakī-putraḥ: 'The son of Devakī, Kṛṣṅa, is the Supreme Personality.' Then it is said, eko vai nārāyaṅa āsīn na brahmā na īśāno nāpo nāgni-samau...

[break] ...dyāv-āpṛthivī na nakṣatrāṅi na sūryaḥ sa ekākī na ramate tasya dhyānāntaḥ sthasya yatra chāndogaiḥ kriyamāṅāṣṭakādi-saṁjñakā stuti-stomaḥ stomam ucyate: 'In the beginning of the creation there was only the Supreme Personality Nārāyaṅa. There was no Brahmā, no Śiva, no fire, no moon, no stars in the sky, no sun. There was only Kṛṣṅa, who creates all and enjoys all.' In the many Purāṅas it is said that Lord Śiva was born from the highest, the Supreme Lord Kṛṣṅa, and the Vedas say that it is the Supreme Lord, the creator of Brahmā and Śiva, who is to be worshiped. In the Mokṣa-dharma Kṛṣṅa also says,

prajāpatiṁ ca rudraṁ cāpy aham eva sṛjāmi vai tau hi māṁ na vijānīto mama māyā-vimohitau [Mokṣa-dharma, Mahābhārata]

'The patriarchs, Śiva and others are created by Me, though they do not know that they are created by Me because they are deluded by My illusory energy.' In the Varāha Purāṅa it is also said,

nārāyaṅaḥ paro devas tasmāj jātaś caturmukhaḥ tasmād rudro 'bhavad devaḥ sa ca sarva-jñatāṁ gataḥ [Varāha Purāṅa]

'Nārāyaṅa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and from Him Brahmā was born, from whom Śiva was born.' Lord Kṛṣṅa is the source of all generations, and He is called the most efficient cause of everything. He says that 'Because everything is born of Me, I am the original source of it all. Everything is under Me. No one is above Me.' There is no supreme controller other than Kṛṣṅa. One who understands Kṛṣṅa in such a way from a bona fide spiritual master and from Vedic literature, who engages all his energy in Kṛṣṅa consciousness, becomes a truly learned man. In comparison to him, all others, who do not know Kṛṣṅa properly, are but fools. Only a fool would consider Kṛṣṅa to be an ordinary man. A Kṛṣṅa conscious person should not be bewildered by fools. He should avoid all unauthorized commentaries and interpretations on Bhagavad-gītā and proceed in Kṛṣṅa consciousness with determination and firmness."

Prabhupāda: So here is the one. You don't accept? You are finding out the one. So where is? So here is the one. Aham ādir hi devānāṁ [Bg 10.2], mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate iti matvā bhajante māṁ budhā bhāva... Hmm? You have got objection to accept Kṛṣṅa the supreme one?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: "What is your answer?" Prabhupāda asks.

Prabhupāda: Why don't you accept Him? In Vedic evidences He is the Supreme. Why?

Indian man (4): Swāmījī, Christ says that he's the goal.

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Indian man (4): Christ says that he's the Almighty. What is your opinion?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: He said, "Christ says that he is the Almighty. What is your opinion?"

Prabhupāda: Where he said?

Indian man (4): In Bible said. "I am the God, come."

Prabhupāda: He said?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: No, he never says that.

Trivikrama: "I am the son of God."

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: He said, "My father, who art in heaven, hallowed by Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done." He never says, "My kingdom come, my will be done."

Trivikrama: Says "I sit at the right hand of God."

German man (1): "The Father and me are one," he said. To people he said, the father in the heaven, and to his disciple he said, "The Father is in me. The Father is in me. I am one with the Father. I am not real, but the Father in me, He is doing everything. I am doing nothing." Every truth... Somebody touch his feet, he said don't touch. "Don't tell me, my Father and me," he said.

Devotee (5): We chant every morning, sākṣād-dharitvena...

Prabhupāda: No bona fide person will say that "I am God." As soon as one says that "I am God," he's a rascal immediately. God is not so cheap. Caitanya Mahāprabhu never said. He said, "I am servant of the servant of the servant of servant of." Gopī-bhartuḥ pada-kamalayor dāsa-dāsa-dāsānudāsaḥ [Cc Madhya 13.80].

[I am not a brāhmaṅa, I am not a kṣatriya, I am not a vaiśya or a śūdra. Nor am I a brahmacārī, a householder, a vānaprastha or a sannyāsī. I identify Myself only as the servant of the servant of the servant of the lotus feet of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṅa, the maintainer of the gopīs. He is like an ocean of nectar, and He is the cause of universal transcendental bliss. He is always existing with brilliance.’]

Hundred times down. And that is real identification. And as soon as a person says, "I am God," then he's a madman. He's part of God. That is all right. But not the Supreme God.

Indian man (4): Can we find the one in ourself? Can we find the one in the basis of ourself?

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Indian man (4): The one in the basis of ourself?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: He says, "Can we find the one in ourselves?"

Prabhupāda: Yes. The Self is there. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg 18.61].

[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]

That one Lord is there within your heart. Where is the difficulty? That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānām. All living entities—not only you, me—cats, dogs, everyone, even ants... Aṅḍāntara-stha-paramāṅu-cayāntara-stham. He is within the atom also. So there is no denying. He is everywhere.

eko 'py asau racayituṁ jagad-aṅḍa-koṭiṁ yac-chaktir asti jagad-aṅḍa-cayā yad-antaḥ aṅḍāntara-stha-paramāṅu-cayāntara-sthaṁ govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi [Bs 5.35]

[He is an undifferentiated entity as there is no distinction between potency and the possessor thereof. In His work of creation of millions of worlds, His potency remains inseparable. All the universes exist in Him and He is present in His fullness in every one of the atoms that are scattered throughout the universe, at one and the same time. Such is the primeval Lord whom I adore.]

So Īśvara, this, the Supreme, is living with you as Supersoul. So there is no doubt about it. You are also within the body, and He is also within the body. Find out this verse, kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata, kṣetra-kṣetrajñayor jñānam [Bg 13.3]. You are individual soul, and He is also living as individual soul, but sarva-kṣetreṣu: He is living everywhere; you are living within your body. That is the difference.

Indian man (4): Then one can realize the omnipresence of the one.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: "How can we realize the omnipresence?"

Prabhupāda: You have to realize from authorized scripture, not whimsically. Just like this boy asked, "God, Christ said like that," without any authority. Without reading, without understanding, he says like that. So you have to take from authority. Without authorized statement don't say anything. It is foolish. Śabda-pramāṅam. Just like a good lawyer in the court. When he says something, immediately he quotes the law, "Section number such, laws number such," and that is authorized; not that whimsically if he says. That is not the process. [aside:] You have found out? Kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu... Thirteenth Chapter.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Ah.

kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata kṣetra-kṣetrajñayor jñānaṁ yat taj jñānaṁ mataṁ mama [Bg 13.3]

Prabhupāda: And before that?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Kṣetram ity abhidhīyate... Oh.

Prabhupāda: Idaṁ śarīraṁ kaunteya.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa:

idaṁ śarīraṁ kaunteya kṣetram ity abhidhīyate etad yo vetti taṁ prāhuḥ kṣetra-jña iti tad-vidaḥ [Bg 13.2]

"Arjuna said, O my dear Kṛṣṅa, I wish to know about prakṛti, puruṣa, and the field and the knower of the field, and of knowledge and the end of knowledge. The Blessed Lord then said, This body, O son of Kuntī, is called the field, and one who knows this body is called the knower of the field."

Prabhupāda: Just like every one of us. I know, you know, that "This is my body," "This is my finger," "This is my leg." So the body is called kṣetra. We have been allotted a kṣetra. Just like the government distributes the land to a certain person, that "This is your land. You till it and grow your food," thirty bighās or something like that. This body is like that. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe arjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg 18.61].

[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]

He is there within the body, and He is giving us this kṣetra. Bhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāni yantrārūḍhāni māyayā. So I have got this body. You have got that body. The dog has got body. The cat has got body. So He's everywhere. So according to his karma or desire, he gets a body. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānām [Bg 18.61]. And he works. Therefore the body is the kṣetra, the field, and the individual soul is the worker. So he is working and getting the fruitive result, but at the same time, God is also with him. But He is everywhere. I am not everywhere. I am one individual. Do you understand? And that is the difference between God and me. I cannot say what you are now thinking now, or you cannot say what I am thinking. But God knows what you are thinking and what I am thinking, what he is thinking. That is the difference. That is explained. Kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi mām. He is also within the body, but that is the difference between Him and you. You are limited within your body, and He is unlimited. He is everywhere. So how you can become God? Therefore one who says, "I am God," he's a fool. You cannot say what I am thinking now or what I am suffering. You cannot prove. But He can feel your suffering and feeling, and that is the difference. Here it is clearly said, kṣetra-jñaṁ ca. Ca means "also." "Also" means "I am there." Not one; two. Kṣetra-jñaṁ ca api māṁ viddhi. So God knows what I want, and according to my desire, He is giving me certain type of body—not directly, but through His energy, material nature. Bhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāni yantrārūḍhāni māyayā [Bg 18.61].

[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]

He has got so many agents. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8].

[The Supreme Lord has nothing to do. Nothing is equal to Him or greater than Him. He acts in different phases by manifesting His parts and parcels, which are all simultaneously differently situated by His unlimited, variegated potencies. Each potency acts quite naturally in sequences, providing Him full knowledge, power and pastimes.]

So this material nature is also one of the agents. And He knows what I desire. He's very friendly, that "This living entity wants this, so give him a body like this." So we get a body. Tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na muhyati [Bg 2.13].

[As the embodied soul continually passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change.]

So we have to change the body according to our desire. If we want to go to the higher planetary system, we can go. God will give us the facility. If you want to go to the lower planetary system, He'll give you. And if you want to go to Him, He'll give you. What is that verse? Yānti deva-vratā devān pitṝn yānti pitṛ-vratāḥ... [Bg 9.25].

[Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live with Me.]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Bhūtāni yānti bhūtejyā...

Prabhupāda: ...mad-yājino 'pi yānti mām. If you want to go the devas, you can go. If you want to remain here, you can remain here. If you want to go back to home, back to Godhead, you can go. All facilities are there. But don't lunatically say that "I am God. I am everything." Don't be. Jīva is part and parcel of God, but part and parcel means the same quality but not the same person. This finger is part and parcel of my body. If you cut this finger you will find the same blood. And if you cut here, the same blood. But the finger is not the whole body. The finger is finger; your body is body. The quality is the same. So if you thoroughly study the nature of the living being, you can have at least idea of what is God. Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]. The Vedānta-sūtra says. Whatever desires I have got, wherefrom these desires come? It comes from God, because I am part and parcel of God. So the janmādy asya yataḥ. I am born a person, so God must be a person. That is natural. A person is born from a person. [break] Why this obstinacy? Say me.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: What is your reply? Prabhupāda wants you to reply to him.

English man: Reply to him.

Prabhupāda: You are searching after that one who has become many.

German man (1): I don't say. I don't say. All prophet[?] is one?

Prabhupāda: You said that you are searching after that one.

German man (1): I thought...?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

German man (1): No.

Prabhupāda: You told me. You did not?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: You stated you were searching or looking for the one in many.

German man (1): Ācchā. Yes, I looked the one in many. Yes, I saw it, the one in many.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: You saw it.

German man (1): If I see, I'll be able to see the one...

Prabhupāda: Yes.

German man (1): ...in many. Not to thought, but to see. I said to see.

Prabhupāda: Here you can see. Why don't you see Kṛṣṅa?

German man (1): Huh?

Prabhupāda: Why don't you see Kṛṣṅa?

German man (1): But I see Him.

Prabhupāda: Then that is the one. You are looking after that one. So that He is. That is explained. Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ [Bg 10.8].

[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]

German man (1): Sometimes I feel as Arjuna.

Prabhupāda: No, you feel, that is another thing. You can feel so many things. That is not authorized. But if you are searching after that one, here is the one. That is accepted by the all authorities and ācāryas. And He showed His viśva-rūpa, virāḍ-rūpa, that everything is there. Practically Arjuna was shown the virāḍ-rūpa. So why don't you accept Him? What is your objection?

German man (1): I have no objection.

Prabhupāda: Then why don't you accept?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Then why don't you accept?

German man (1): I accept. Right when I got into Gītā, I start to read it and I start to follow, I tried to follow.

Prabhupāda: That's nice.

German man (1): I accepted.

Prabhupāda: Then it is all right.

German man (1): I have no [indistinct].

Prabhupāda: So we are preaching that "Here is God: Kṛṣṅa." Our preaching is simple. Kṛṣṅa says, "I am the Supreme." We say, "Kṛṣṅa is the Supreme." That's all. We repeat. We don't manufacture. What is the use of manufacturing? I am imperfect. Whatever I manufacture, that is imperfect. So better to repeat the words of the perfect. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission. He said, "Every one of you become guru and deliver your surrounding persons, either you are in family or in a neighborhood or in a society or in a nation—as much as you can." Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra' ei deśa [Cc Madhya 7.128].

[Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṅa as they are given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in this land.]

So whatever limited circle, you just become guru and deliver them. Deliver means deliver from the ignorance. Everyone is in ignorance, dehātma-buddhiḥ. Yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṅape tri-dhātuke, sa eva go-kharaḥ [SB 10.84.13].

[One who identifies his self as the inert body composed of mucus, bile and air, who assumes his wife and family are permanently his own, who thinks an earthen image or the land of his birth is worshipable, or who sees a place of pilgrimage as merely the water there, but who never identifies himself with, feels kinship with, worships or even visits those who are wise in spiritual truth—such a person is no better than a cow or an ass.]

So we have to teach them that "You are not this body. You are pure soul. Your business is different." And that is enlightenment. That is business of guru. So we can do that business. And how to do it? That is... Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, yāre dekha tāre kaha kṛṣṅa-upadeśa [Cc Madhya 7.128]. You haven't got to manufacture anything. What Kṛṣṅa has already said, you repeat. Finish. Don't make addition, alteration. Then you become guru. Very simple thing. If I say that "My father said, 'This is a bell,' " I am correct because I have learned it from my father, authority. I may be fool, rascal; it doesn't matter. But because I have learned it from the authority and presenting it that "This is a bell," this is perfect. Similarly, I cannot become guru because I am imperfect. My senses are imperfect. I cannot see what is beyond this wall, although I am very much proud of my eyes. I want to see. What you can see? Imperfect, all senses. But if some authority says that "Beyond this wall this is the..., like this," it is all right. So we have to follow this path, that you become guru, deliver your neighborhood men, associates, but speak the authoritative words of Kṛṣṅa. Then it will act.

So our this Kṛṣṅa consciousness movement is like that. We do not manufacture ideas. That has spoiled the whole world. Just like you said about Christ. That he never said "Supreme Lord." He said, "I am son of God. I have brought message from Him." Similarly, our position is that "We have got a message from Kṛṣṅa. Take it." So we have no difficulty. Anyone can say. If we study Bhagavad-gītā nicely, assimilate and repeat it, it will act. Kṛṣṅa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg 18.65].

[Always think of Me and become My devotee. Worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend.]

We are teaching that "You always think of Kṛṣṅa. You become a devotee. You worship Him and offer your obeisances." It doesn't require to become very learned scholar. Anyone can do it. A child can do it. We are teaching. Where is the difficulty? Hmm? Is there any difficulty? Why don't you do that? Why you are making so big, big program without any effect? Take the simple program, and preach everywhere. That is being done. We are preaching this philosophy all over the world, and they are accepting. You know that. In Europe, America, Australia, Canada—in all parts of the world they are appreciating. Even the Africans, they are chanting, dancing. So if I have manufactured some theory and with a limited circle I am satisfied, that is good? Or Kṛṣṅa's program, Caitanya Mahāprabhu's program, which is being accepted all over the world—that is good or this is good? Which one is good? So everyone is manufacturing some concoction, and he's satisfied with few followers. But we have got Kṛṣṅa's program, and it is being followed all over the world. So which one is good: with some limited circle or all over the world? There is a proof. We are not theoretical.

German man (1): Is Kṛṣṅa's vision what He liked?

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

German man (1): Is Kṛṣṅa's own vision what He liked?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: What is your vision?

German man (1): I don't know. [indistinct—very faint audio]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: He says... It's hard to understand what he's getting at. He says, "It's Kṛṣṅa's vision, He..."

German man (1): [indistinct] circle or a limited circle?

Prabhupāda: Anything...

German man (1): Or Kṛṣṅa consciousness is all over the world? It is His own vision, or Kṛṣṅa's own vision, what He wants to do with it? [indistinct]

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is Kṛṣṅa consciousness.

German man (1): So if he creates a circle, maybe a small cirlce, as he creates consciousness all over the world. It's His consciousness.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is Kṛṣṅa consciousness. Now all over the world they are chanting Hare Kṛṣṅa. That's a fact.

German man (1): What is happening [indistinct]. One soul has to come [indistinct].

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: He says a great devotee has to come and discover, to make this mission all over the world.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Without Kṛṣṅa's authorized person, nobody can do it. Kṛṣṅa-śakti vinā nāhi nāma-pracāra [Cc Antya 7.11]. Without being empowered by Kṛṣṅa, nobody can do it. [indistinct] I know my Guru Mahārāja. He said that [indistinct]. So I have to try to serve him. [indistinct]

German man (1): [indistinct]

Prabhupāda: There is another statement by Caitanya Mahāprabhu about Kṛṣṅa consciousness: yei bhaje sei baḍa, abhakta—hīna chāra kṛṣṅa-bhajane nāhi jāti-kulādi-vicāra [Cc Antya 4.67]. Anyone who is a devotee of Kṛṣṅa, he is considered highly qualified, sei bhakta. [indistinct] Abhakta hīna chāra. But one who is not devotee of Kṛṣṅa, he is condemned. Then, is there any particular nation or creed who can take it? No. Krsna bhajana nāhi jāti-kulādi. If one wants to take to Kṛṣṅa, there is no condition [indistinct] that he should belong to such and such country, such and such [indistinct]. Anyone can do it. Māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ [Bg 9.32].

[O son of Pṛthā, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth—women, vaiśyas [merchants], as well as śūdras [workers]—can approach the supreme destination.]

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